FreePBX and CentOS base: CentOS is dead from now on

It’s easy to place blame when:

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I doubt Zend looked like anything other than a perfect solution at the time it was chosen. Now that it’s TU it is fairly obvious to say it was a poor choice. :laughing:

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Yes, and I am not saying that it was not the best choice at the time.

Because I do not know that answer.

My point, as stated, is about not pushing things off as anything but the choices of Schmoozecom.

I would agree, no fault to assign on picking zend when it was selected. My biggest complaint is not moving toward 7.x compatibility sooner. 7.x will be EOL by the time there is official support.

For now, Ioncube may dictate releasing v16 on php7, but hopefully they are testing and targeting the code with an eye toward php8 compatibility so it won’t be such a big lift when the time comes.

And don’t forget node.js…

Last I tried, dependency issues lock us to node 11 or earlier. Node v11 is already EOL. v10 is an LTS release, but is EOL in April this year.

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This is technically a perk of the new centos model. As approving ground you get the new toys. With rolling releases like Ubuntu has done forever you get new toys and don’t have to wait for vetting…

I am going to put this right here.

Yep, they changed the rules again.

Will they cross their hearts and hope to die that this won’t happen again next month ?

To whom is the 16 servers limit relevant?
What level of ‘subscription’ is necessary?
Anybody fooled yet?

logically a 74x6N?

too late they have lost them. centos no longer exists, tehy now want to offer you 16 install-based developer user licences in their “new” extended dev program,

To hell with that, IBM, redhats owner, has killed centos, it was their long term plan in the hope that centos users will go out and buy RHEL licences. they want to kill off open source and use subscription services.

Time for sangoma to pick a new distro base. One thats not owned by big greedy corporates. This leaves Slackware, Gentoo, or heaven forbid - debian, but if want to stay with RPM, then opensuse

The opportunity should be taken now to redesign, so everything extracts into /opt/freepbx (including asterisk) in a distro-ready install package.

This means they can package whats needed to run,verify, whatever (including commercial modules - except perhaps teh sys admin one) and it can then be installed and run on any god damn distro out there - unlike now.

Let this greed by IBM be a lesson for the project, one that is not repeated again because of some long term plan to buy and destroy a distro

You seem to not realize that FreePBX (the distro) only exists because someone (Schmoozecom) wanted to make money. Had @jfinstrom and company not turned it into a profitable (we assume) business model, it would not be anything at all like the solution it is now.

Instead it would be a bygone solution no different than Elastix and Trixbox.

The entitlement on this tread is amazing. Take a little time to learn how to install Asterisk and FreePBX on any Linux of your choice and you will be free from relying on Distro.

As for commercial modules? Duh, they’re commercial, and who says you should be able to do whatever you want? If Sangoma wants to control the environment into which they are installed that is their choice. No one is forcing you to pay them any money to use their commercial modules.

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That is not practical for a business that wants a phone system. Sure, it is something that you and I can do. But it is not something that Bob’s Widget Shop should know how to do. Instead the IT admin at BWS should install a pre-built package that they can get easy support on. FreePBX, VitalPBX, 3CX, FusionPBX, or others. It does not matter.

You and I are not at odds on this. The person I responded to was ranting about corporate greed and said he wants Distro, but portable across “any [g.d.] distro.” That is unreasonable from a QA and support standpoint. You either DIY–in which case you can run FreePBX on any system you like–or you use what Sangoma offers as a Distro. That seems extremely fair to me. You either pay through your DIY and self-support or you pay with money…

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Yeah, I was trying to post clarity for others who didn’t get that.

Actually freepbx existed because a guy called Rob Thomas wrote it, you might have heard of him around here before /sarcasm

oh the fanbois are out in force today arent they
If commercial modules only run on one distro, thats poor management, as you remove yourself from a huge wide market.

Ah, you’re a marketing expert. But consider that every OS and distro that Sangoma says they support would need to be part of a QA process, otherwise folks would come here and rant about bugs being released. And the tech support team would need to have expertise on all the platforms as well. Ok marketing expert, sounds like you need to really increase the software engineering and IT teams at Sangoma. I guess that would also increase costs. Maybe Distro shouldn’t be free after all.

I’m not a fanboi of Sangoma, but I am a fan of basic business sense.

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Just to put this thread back on track. Seems like @mfredrickson has mentioned that they are experimenting with CentOS 8 and potentially other CentOS forks. Does that mean other distros are out of possibilities? Curious which fork Sangoma is leaning toward.

I figured the overall discussion here was to just provide comments on other options. It totally makes sense to work with something that is similar to what you have now, based on the time and speed to move to another platform. It would be nice to have updates on which way Sangoma is leaning.

Chris

Rob Thomas… I think he sings in a band now… Something about matchboxes…

Oh that’s a different one, you are talking about mediocre karaoke @xrobau

Seriously though

At this point, any distro not based on RHEL is out of the picture. It’d be quite a bit of work to leave that ecosystem and cause a lot of churn on those in the userbase that have invested time and tooling with assumption of a RHEL based distro.

The the most likely candidate right now is Rocky Linux. It’s got some founder cred (by one of the guys that started the CentOS project back in the day) and a lot of support. Assuming they hit their release targets, and all that.

Matthew Fredrickson

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